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Mises guru, gold bug, Dr Tom Woods vs me! Right now!!

December 17, 2011 by  
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Dr. Tom Woods was trained at the Ivy League, and he’s real big into phony Austrian economics. Thankfully, he covered theRedPillRadio post “Why do Paul, Beck, and the World Bank have the monetary reform policy?”

Mises, and the Austrian schools AS ALL OTHERS were really financed by the Rothschilds/Rockefeller bankers which will be revealed if you follow the debate to the end. Please COPY THIS INFORMATION AS IT IS UNIQUE, and HIGHLY CENSORED!

Please follow this thread as history has shown that the Paulistas will end up censoring me, or the thread once they lose the debate. Just like all the other loyal opposition phonies we see on TV.

The debate is really simple for me because, all I do is ask a question that anyone can answer using 3rd grade math. Please follow the thread and see that I don’t bury the debate in econo-babble and techno-jargon so that you fall asleep on your key board.

Remember, monetary reform is THE MOST IMPORTANT issue on the planet. Everything else is just a symptom. And I’m not just complaining, I have a step by step plan will work, will give INSTANT recovery once embraced, and I’m going to kick-off starting January 1, 2012.

IE: The beginning of the end of the parasitical usurers’ reign on this planet is about to end!

Please spread the word! Understand the plan, and take action now! Be a founding father in this beautiful 2nd American Revolution! Don’t be a “nay-sayer” or Tory!  Be a bold, powerful leader like God made you to be!!  Don’t wait for a phony corrupt election!  Achieve your destiny, and let’s kick so parasitic banker ass, and have a party!!

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I’m going to start with Wood’s background, then his post, then the comments on HIS blog. Tell me what you think of the debate. Mind you, this is one of Ron Paul’s economic advisers. Paul, is our next banker hired savior de jure.

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Thomas E. Woods, Jr., is a senior fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. He holds a bachelor’s degree in history from Harvard and his master’s, M.Phil., and Ph.D. from Columbia University. He is the author of eleven books, most recently Rollback: Repealing Big Government Before the Coming Fiscal Collapse and Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century. His other books include the New York Times bestsellers Meltdown: A Free-Market Look at Why the Stock Market Collapsed, the Economy Tanked, and Government Bailouts Will Make Things Worse and The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, as well as Who Killed the Constitution? The Fate of American Liberty from World War I to George W. Bush (with Kevin R.C. Gutzman), Sacred Then and Sacred Now: The Return of the Old Latin Mass, 33 Questions About American History You’re Not Supposed to Ask, How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, and The Church and the Market: A Catholic Defense of the Free Economy. His critically acclaimed 2004 book The Church Confronts Modernity was recently released in paperback by Columbia University Press. A collection of Woods’ essays, called W obronie zdrowego rozsadku, was released exclusively in Polish in 2007. Woods’ books have been translated into Italian, Spanish, Polish, French, German, Czech, Portuguese, Croatian, Slovak, Russian, Korean, Japanese, and Chinese.

Woods edited and wrote the introduction to five additional books: Back on the Road to Serfdom: The Resurgence of Statism, We Who Dared to Say No to War: American Antiwar Writing from 1812 to Now (with Murray Polner), Murray N. Rothbard’s The Betrayal of the American Right, The Political Writings of Rufus Choate, and Orestes Brownson’s 1875 classic The American Republic. He contributed the preface to Choosing the Right College and the foreword both to Ludwig von Mises’ Liberalism and to Abel Upshur’s A Brief Enquiry into the True Nature and Character of Our Federal Government. He is also the author of Beyond Distributism, part of the Acton Institute’s Christian Social Thought Series.

Woods’ writing has appeared in dozens of popular and scholarly periodicals, including the American Historical Review, the Christian Science Monitor, Investor’s Business Daily, Catholic Historical Review, Modern Age, American Studies, Intercollegiate Review, Catholic Social Science Review, Economic Affairs (U.K.), Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, Inside the Vatican, Human Events, University Bookman, Journal of Markets & Morality, New Oxford Review, Catholic World Report, Independent Review, Religion & Liberty, Journal of Libertarian Studies, Journal des Economistes et des Etudes Humaines, AD2000 (Australia), Christian Order (U.K.), and Human Rights Review.

Woods won the $50,000 first prize in the prestigious Templeton Enterprise Awards for 2006, given by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute and the Templeton Foundation, for his book The Church and the Market. He was the recipient of the 2004 O.P. Alford III Prize for Libertarian Scholarship and of an Olive W. Garvey Fellowship from the Independent Institute in 2003. He has also been awarded two Humane Studies Fellowships and a Claude R. Lambe Fellowship from the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University and a Richard M. Weaver Fellowship from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute.

For eleven years Woods served as associate editor of The Latin Mass magazine; he is presently a contributing editor of The American Conservative magazine. A contributor to six encyclopedias, Woods is co-editor of Exploring American History: From Colonial Times to 1877, an eleven-volume encyclopedia.

Woods has appeared on CNBC, MSNBC, FOX News Channel, FOX Business Network, C-SPAN, and Bloomberg Television, among other outlets, and has been a guest on hundreds of radio programs, including National Public Radio, the Dennis Miller Show, the Michael Reagan Show, the Dennis Prager Show, the G. Gordon Liddy Show, and the Michael Medved Show. He is a regular fill-in host on The Peter Schiff Show.

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His article about MY article is here.http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/greenbackers-smear-ron-paul/

I will post some so that it doesn’t get deleted as is the norm.
“Why do Paul, Beck, and the World Bank have the same monetary reform policy?” wonders Red Pill Radio. (I have no idea what Glenn Beck’s proposal for monetary reform is, so I’ll stick to Ron Paul and the World Bank.) This is like asking, “Why did the Germans and the Russians cooperate so well during the Battle of Stalingrad?” (UPDATE: Link fixed.)

The article says “Robert Zoellick [of the World Bank] favors gold money just like Ron Paul.” This is laughable. Just because someone utters the word “gold” does not mean he favors the classical gold standard, or indeed any kind of gold standard. What Zoellick said was, “The system should also consider employing gold as an international reference point of market expectations about inflation, deflation and future currency values.”

This is an opaque statement, to say the least. At most, it could be referring to an extremely attenuated, sort-of, ultra-minimal “gold standard,” analogous perhaps to Bretton Woods (in which gold did not circulate among the general public at all, but could be acquired by foreign central banks in exchange for U.S. dollars), but not an actual gold coin standard, which the world’s central banks have precisely zero reason to support (it being a merciless restraint on their ability to inflate).

Zoellick himself clarified his remarks to make clear he did not support any kind of gold standard whatever, so there isn’t a long list of excuses for pretending he supports — of all things! — Ron Paul’s monetary policy. Zoellick explains, “Gold is now being used, being viewed, as an alternative monetary asset. This is not the same as a gold standard [emphasis added]. Gold has become a reference point because holders of money see weak or uncertain growth prospects in all currencies other than the renminbi, and the renminbi is not free for exchange. So in relative terms, gold is appealing to people who ask ‘where should I put my money.’”

It’s really important to understand what terms mean when discussing monetary theory and policy, and particularly when you’re on the verge of drawing a ludicrous comparison between a supporter of a free-market money on the one hand and a supporter of a centrally managed money on the other. Just because someone says “gold” doesn’t mean he supports the classical gold standard, which is what Ron Paul has supported in the past in some of his writings. Greenbackers (who support a fiat money issued directly by politicians via the U.S. Treasury rather than via the Federal Reserve) have been unwilling to draw these distinctions.

There are numerous phony “gold standards” out there, I might add. The gold price rule is one. Here the gold price is used as a signal for central banks as they formulate monetary policy. A falling gold price, say advocates of such a system, means monetary policy is too tight; a rising gold price means it’s too loose. It should be obvious that this system, in which once again gold does not actually circulate as money among the public, has nothing in common with the classical gold standard. But I’m fairly confident the Greenbackers, hearing the word “gold,” would say it, too, is “just like” Ron Paul.

The irony of all this is that Ron Paul is not even calling for a gold standard, though he has advocated one in the past. What he is actually calling for is a free market in money, in which we do not need to trust governments to stay faithful to some “standard.” Ron Paul favors the Misesian/Hayekian solution of permitting the market to determine what the people wish to use as media of exchange. Unlike the Greenbackers, he would not empower the police to enforce a monopoly system by which everyone would be obligated to transact only in green pieces of paper issued by Harry Reid and John McCain.

At the end of the blog post we read: “The Rothschilds’ gold solution is NOT real monetary reform.” Again with the whole “the banking interests around the world are clamoring for a gold standard” routine! If it were true that the most influential bankers wanted a gold standard, wouldn’t we already have one? Aren’t the Greenbackers always insisting (often with good reason, to be sure) that the banking establishment is extremely influential? Then why has it failed so miserably to establish the gold standard it supposedly wants?

The blog post also contains a reference to Ellen Brown, whose Web of Debt is a central text in the Greenbacker canon. Unfortunately for them, Gary North has exploded it completely. Strewn with historical and theoretical errors, including fake quotations no serious researcher would have used, the book has been utterly destroyed. See for yourself.

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Here is the comment thread so far as of Saturday, Dec. 17th 2011.

theRedPillRadio.com:   The bankers have the gold. They will lend it at impossible to pay usury as some but NOT all can pay. This occurs because only the principal is in circulation, not the interest gold. They will confiscate all wealth over time, even if no governments existed at all. Victims will sign up for this asset confiscation scheme willingly, the same way they do a Ponzi. The question just remains…should we allow Ponzis, and usury? The People should be free to contract, right?

The private World Bank, Beck, and Paul all advocate this “free market” usury gold scam.

Dr. Woods: This criticism does not apply to a free market in money. Also, any gold standard proposal worth anything requires the central banks to disgorge their gold, and distribute it to depositors. Problem solved.

Who says they’ll lend at high interest rates? Are high interest rates our problem?

theRedPillRadio.com The interest rate is irrelevant. For example. If the bankers only charge 1% on $1M in gold, where does the $10k in interest gold come from? More money is always owed than what is in existence. The Rothschilds gold lenders will want the People to pay back $1,010,000 when only $1M is in the system. This will occur with big govt, little govt. or no govt. The only options for the borrowers are: A. More borrowing of gold from the same bankers. B. Defaulting the collateral.

The only question is do we want to allow USURY, or Ponzis to be legal despite them being fraud. Some will argue that people should be permitted to contract despite the hazard. 3rd grade math will show the absolute certainty that some will get burned.

Gold/silver money are commodity control systems just like oil. Add USURY, and certify your enslavement to private bankers who will perp the scam WITHOUT GOVERNMENT. In fact, they have always been the real power behind the throne.

Paul’s “sound money/end the Fed” DO NOT threaten the bankers private usury asset confiscation scheme. They are platitudes brought to us from the same propagandists who created “hope and change”.

The single litmus test question to ask if your “truth teller” is loyal opposition to the bankers is: Do YOU support usury money, or non-usury money creation?

I support non-usury, as it INSTANTLY puts people back to work with 8 year mortgages instead of 30 at the same payment. It can be done without govt, force, or corporations.

Dr. Woods: It is a misconception to think there “isn’t enough money in the system” to pay back both interest and principal.

http://mises.org/daily/4569

Bankers always and everywhere need government, if they are going to engage in fractional reserves. Banks and governments each have something the other wants.

Money emerges spontaneously from uncoerced human interaction. I don’t support”usury money”; I support voluntary contracts entered into by individuals, based on a money system that emerged without coercion. Simple.

theRedPillRadio.com Please answer the question, and don’t subcontract it to another “expert”.

In the example, no government exists. There are no fractional reserves, no “excessive interest” etc.

This is a VERY simple question that a 3rd grader can answer. So please, no techno-jargon, econo-babble. And can we please assume the bankers don’t accept barter for payment of their loans. So far, I’ve never mowed the (banker’s) lawn to pay my mortgage.

Here’s the question that I asked above:

The People willingly borrowed(contracted) $1M gold at 1% with their land as collateral. Therefore, they must pay back $1,010,000. Where does the $10k in gold interest money come from?

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Very soon we will all come to know that gold/silver money are a tool of the elite to enslave the People just like oil is now for energy. Ron Paul, Mises, and Austrian economics are just another level of usurer’s propaganda.

Their Hegelian engineered dialect: “Do you want to borrow paper fiat money? Or, do you want to borrow gold/silver money?”  AKA:  ”Keynes vs Hayek”.   With the bankers it’s always “heads I win, tails you lose”.  ”Do you pick Democrat, or Republican?”

Mind you, I’m a libertarian(min-archist), just like the Founders who were duped, or required to use gold/silver money despite having none in the former colonies. The Rothschilds  financed BOTH sides of the American Revolution as they do all major wars. The Constitution was fatally flawed with two slave systems. 1. Chattel slavery 2. Usury gold/silver money.

So, now what? What will you do with this information? Will you embrace it and change course like I did as a FORMER RON PAUL/ALEX JONES supporter? Or, will you attack me, and remain a mind-slave? Will you attack the messenger, who has committed a “thought crime”?

What will YOU do? Will you support the lessor of 2 evils like we’ve do for half a century now at least? Will YOU cease to be an honest man/woman?

Will YOU vote for the bankers’ next phony savior? Or, will you become enlightened and have the dignity and character of a truly free man, or woman?

The bankers support Paul and will have the People begging for THEIR savior. The People will elect Paul the banker puppet, and they will pin the blame on him for their usury/Ponzi schemes/austerity.  Then the dollar, and empire will collapse and the worst misery in world history will be blamed on “freedom/natural rights/Constitution/capitalism” etc.

So, now armed with our common enemy’s battle plan what will YOU do?

Will YOU decide that YOU must fix this problem, or will you subcontract your power to more phonies with false authority from fake schools with banksters’ loyal opposition solutions?

Here’s a couple videos which I made as tools to help wake your friends up from Ron Paul sycophancy. The Republicans were betrayed with Bush. The Dems were betrayed with Obama. Now it is time for the libertarians to realize they are being Punk’d too.

Gold and usury destroy in micro-economics.

\”How Shylock steals with Gold n Usury\”

 

Gold and usury destroy in macro-economics.

How gold and usury destroy national sovereignty.

 

Wanna know a step by step plan to save the world?

Step 1. Send this post to your list.

Step 2. Start a local currency.

Step 3. Hire the sheriff with the local currency to end income/property taxes foreclosures/victimless crimes.

Step 4. Universal debt Jubilee and end usury for INSTANT recovery! How? 8 year mortgages on properties which are now owned by the People “free and clear” and their credit reports have been wiped.

 

Wanna save the world?  We really can do it, we just needed a REAL PLAN. This one is NOT perfect, but it’s a start. We can tweak it on the fly. The Marines teach you to “improvise, and overcome” to achieve your mission. We WILL ACHIEVE OUR MISSION, or at least die trying. Time for the good guys to rise up. Time for the producers to reclaim their rightful place OVER the parasites.

occupyOurMoney.com, or follow me on Facebook@ Wayne Walton.

Breckenridge, Colorado will have its own local currency starting January 15, 2012.